Defer Life Considered Harmful
From AI winters to Tiny Go, Ron Evans has a long and storied career. In this episode he joins Angelica and Matt to discuss his journey, what past AI winters can tell us about our current AI moment, the importance of Tiny Go, and so much more.
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Show Notes:
This week's episode has a Break aftershow! Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show.
For our supporters, we've got two great chapters about epistemology and how AI affects newcomers to programming. Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today!
Thanks for tuning in and happy listening!
Show Notes:
- TinyGo
- Amara’s Law and Its Place in the Future of Tech
- Cory Doctorow
- GopherCon 2024: Go Back to the Future - Ron Evans
- Skynet
- Program or Be Programmed Eleven Commands for the AI Future DOUGLAS RUSHKOFF
- The Demon-Haunted World
Table of Contents:
- Prologue (00:00:00)
- Chapter 1: Who Is Ron Evans? (00:03:00)
- Chapter 2: The Next AI Winter? (00:06:03)
- Chapter 3: Epistemology [Supporter Only] (00:36:39)
- Chapter 4: Ron's Long Game (00:39:20)
- Chapter 5: There Are Always Things To Do (00:50:22)
- Chapter 6: How Is AI/ML Impacting People New To The Industry? [Supporter Only] (00:59:27)
- Chapter 7: Anything Left Unsaid? (01:02:19)
- Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions (01:07:28)
Socials:
- (00:00) - Prologue
- (03:00) - Chapter 1: Who Is Ron Evans?
- (06:03) - Chapter 2: The Next AI Winter?
- (36:39) - Chapter 3: Epistemology [Supporter Only]
- (39:20) - Chapter 4: Ron's Long Game
- (50:22) - Chapter 5: There Are Always Things To Do
- (59:27) - Chapter 6: How Is AI/ML Impacting People New To The Industry? [Supporter Only]
- (01:02:19) - Chapter 7: Anything Left Unsaid?
- (01:07:28) - Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions
Creators and Guests

Host
Matthew Sanabria
Matthew is an engineering leader focused on building reliable, scalable, and observable systems. Matthew is known for using his breadth and depth of experience to add value in minimal context situations and help great people become great engineers through mentoring. Matthew serves the Go community as a member of GoBridge. In his spare time, Matthew spends time with his family, helps grow his wife's chocolate business, works on home improvement projects, and reads technical resources to learn and tinker.
