The Three Ps: Understanding Product, Project, and Program Management
Building software is difficult and rarely can software engineers do it alone. In this episode, Kris is joined by Ian, Matthew, and Angelica to talk managing software projects and what three often used but rarely defined roles actually mean: project manager, product manager, and program manager. The panel also discusses how these roles interact with engineering managers, what they think these roles actually do, and whether product managers should actually exist.
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For our supporters, this episode contains an extended discussion including a discussion on whether you should trust a new company you join, how to build trust, and what metrics we should measure for project success. Get access by signing up at https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe.
Thanks for tuning in and happy listening!
Table of Contents:
- Prologue (03:28)
- Chapter 1: Product? Project? Program? (05:18)
- Chapter 2: PMs and Software Engineers (13:56)
- Chapter 3: Splitting Roles (44:49)
- Chapter 4: Building Trust [Supporter Only] (53:34)
- Chapter 5: Metrics [Supporter Only] (54:13)
- Chapter 6: Should Product Managers Exist? (55:25)
- Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions (01:06:37)
- Epilogue (01:11:56)
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- (03:28) - Prologue
- (05:18) - Chapter 1: Product? Project? Program?
- (13:56) - Chapter 2: PMs and Software Engineers
- (44:49) - Chapter 3: Splitting Roles
- (53:34) - Chapter 4: Building Trust [Supporter Only]
- (54:13) - Chapter 5: Metrics [Supporter Only]
- (55:25) - Chapter 6: Should Product Managers Exist?
- (01:06:37) - Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions
- (01:11:56) - Epilogue
Creators and Guests

Host
Matthew Sanabria
Matthew is an engineering leader focused on building reliable, scalable, and observable systems. Matthew is known for using his breadth and depth of experience to add value in minimal context situations and help great people become great engineers through mentoring. Matthew serves the Go community as a member of GoBridge. In his spare time, Matthew spends time with his family, helps grow his wife's chocolate business, works on home improvement projects, and reads technical resources to learn and tinker.
